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¿y se ve algo en el Astra, o todo es en el Hotbird?
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CheopsCAS i thing acting AS IKS protecol
and more about IKS:
There is lot of rumors going on if IKS is secured. Well in short it is - and then it is not. Just to give you a few points on security with IKS:
1) IKS runs on centralized server that is a share point to servers which relay on this server. Your box is connecting too relays not the IKS Server.
2) IKS servers require UDP connection, not TCP. You can think of UDP as more secure but the real difference is that UDP packets travell one way (request is send from the receiver and then fullfiled by the server but there is no guarantee on data delivery of the packet from the server meaning that server drops the link with requestor as soon as it get it - it may deliver it later on however). The relay - is really a relay in UDP sense - (request can be made to one server but another server may fullfil it). Since there is no constant connection beeing open it is almost impossible to catch the very small (tidy) request and data travel from boxes to IKS.
3) IKS Servers accept only connection that has receiver id attached to the data package. No request from PC or other device can be made -this really gives much trouble in idenfying what is the content of the IKS package or intercepting it. I am not sure it the package it self is beeing encrypted somehow - but it will be easy to do if not. With encrypted packages even if someone itercepts it - taht would become useless.
4) For the providers to hunt you down they will need to know servers that nFusion boxes are connecting too. To find out, they will have to intercept the traffic from the centralized server whcih is off-shore (but hard to do explained before). I could not locate the servers by looking at routers access logs - I can only find out the servers it is connecting too --- and surprisingly i saw different connections (rotating relays) --- which gives me positives vibes about IKS.
5) All the providers can do is to look that your connecetion is making some request or data that is beeing transfered from a server has been idenfied as suspicios - but before they can even take an action upon it - the new server can be set and there you go another round of finding it out will be needed. This is time consuming and very very tidious and expensive task (not that the providers can not afford it). Even if the provider proves that the traffic from your internet connection is suspicios - they can not prove that it came from your requests from your receiver (they can trace back anything beyong your router/modem).
6) "Dave" did go to small people on the first occasion of IKS (more then 10 years ago -- ohhh yes do not be surprised IKS is nothing new --- it has been used back in Dave days computer was needed that will serve ready descrambled packages to the receiver using waffer boards - card emulators) - but "dave" had physical prove to against small people (hardware needed to make this function) - unlinke today (no additional hardware needed - so hard to tell if you are really wrongdoing something).
The final decision is always up to you to make. I do not wan to sound encouraging or disapointing - use your own judgment - do lots of reading - before you venture into somethign that may give you chills.
IKS doesn't mean you won't go down just that you come back up much faster.
If your hooked up to the net with your nfusion and you come home and turn your box on it will tell you if there is a new update and give you the option to update your box with the click of the remote button.
If your watching tv on stand alone (camd ON) and it goes down you simply click menu+user settings+camd off and IKS will kick in when you exit to tv.
99.9% of the time its IKS all the way.
I don't worry about anyone getting my ip from the nfusion iks server as it does not collect anything other than an error log saying what failed.
Most have not noticed that IKS and Files are on 2 different servers and are ported to 1 that you are connected to.
That should be enough for people to guess there is more than 1 server at work here. I think last count there was 5 ported thru a chain across the web to 1 point of access. That point of access can be changed with a click of a button. So what if someone gets the main click boom somewhere else we go.
Anyone that wants to can easily run a proxy on your system and your bouncing around the world anyways.
Now to the whole sending keys things. The iks does not at anytime send keys to your box.(illegal) It does how ever send data to your box so your box knows what to do to get itself going. Kind of like a A.I coding. No not any of the pyro team will explain that part for good reason. Why give up a trade secret . I hope this helps some of you out with what your wanting to know
you can use safty :D
and more about IKS:
There is lot of rumors going on if IKS is secured. Well in short it is - and then it is not. Just to give you a few points on security with IKS:
1) IKS runs on centralized server that is a share point to servers which relay on this server. Your box is connecting too relays not the IKS Server.
2) IKS servers require UDP connection, not TCP. You can think of UDP as more secure but the real difference is that UDP packets travell one way (request is send from the receiver and then fullfiled by the server but there is no guarantee on data delivery of the packet from the server meaning that server drops the link with requestor as soon as it get it - it may deliver it later on however). The relay - is really a relay in UDP sense - (request can be made to one server but another server may fullfil it). Since there is no constant connection beeing open it is almost impossible to catch the very small (tidy) request and data travel from boxes to IKS.
3) IKS Servers accept only connection that has receiver id attached to the data package. No request from PC or other device can be made -this really gives much trouble in idenfying what is the content of the IKS package or intercepting it. I am not sure it the package it self is beeing encrypted somehow - but it will be easy to do if not. With encrypted packages even if someone itercepts it - taht would become useless.
4) For the providers to hunt you down they will need to know servers that nFusion boxes are connecting too. To find out, they will have to intercept the traffic from the centralized server whcih is off-shore (but hard to do explained before). I could not locate the servers by looking at routers access logs - I can only find out the servers it is connecting too --- and surprisingly i saw different connections (rotating relays) --- which gives me positives vibes about IKS.
5) All the providers can do is to look that your connecetion is making some request or data that is beeing transfered from a server has been idenfied as suspicios - but before they can even take an action upon it - the new server can be set and there you go another round of finding it out will be needed. This is time consuming and very very tidious and expensive task (not that the providers can not afford it). Even if the provider proves that the traffic from your internet connection is suspicios - they can not prove that it came from your requests from your receiver (they can trace back anything beyong your router/modem).
6) "Dave" did go to small people on the first occasion of IKS (more then 10 years ago -- ohhh yes do not be surprised IKS is nothing new --- it has been used back in Dave days computer was needed that will serve ready descrambled packages to the receiver using waffer boards - card emulators) - but "dave" had physical prove to against small people (hardware needed to make this function) - unlinke today (no additional hardware needed - so hard to tell if you are really wrongdoing something).
The final decision is always up to you to make. I do not wan to sound encouraging or disapointing - use your own judgment - do lots of reading - before you venture into somethign that may give you chills.
IKS doesn't mean you won't go down just that you come back up much faster.
If your hooked up to the net with your nfusion and you come home and turn your box on it will tell you if there is a new update and give you the option to update your box with the click of the remote button.
If your watching tv on stand alone (camd ON) and it goes down you simply click menu+user settings+camd off and IKS will kick in when you exit to tv.
99.9% of the time its IKS all the way.
I don't worry about anyone getting my ip from the nfusion iks server as it does not collect anything other than an error log saying what failed.
Most have not noticed that IKS and Files are on 2 different servers and are ported to 1 that you are connected to.
That should be enough for people to guess there is more than 1 server at work here. I think last count there was 5 ported thru a chain across the web to 1 point of access. That point of access can be changed with a click of a button. So what if someone gets the main click boom somewhere else we go.
Anyone that wants to can easily run a proxy on your system and your bouncing around the world anyways.
Now to the whole sending keys things. The iks does not at anytime send keys to your box.(illegal) It does how ever send data to your box so your box knows what to do to get itself going. Kind of like a A.I coding. No not any of the pyro team will explain that part for good reason. Why give up a trade secret . I hope this helps some of you out with what your wanting to know
you can use safty :D
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What is IKS?
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IKS (Internet Key Sharing) is the latest method in the FTA (Free-To-Air) satellite testing community that tackles the problem of the new nagravision 3 encryption technology by supplying decryption keys to a FTA Satelite receiver over the Internet. While some are reasonably wary of IKS technology, most use some sort of proxy server to act as a protection of a users real ip address, just in case authorities or satellite providers may be monitoring the connections to a central server or array of IKS servers. There are several brands now supporting a present or future IKS solution. Some require the purchase of a special device specifically designed to expand a boxes capabilities to use the new IKS FTA method. Currently IKS has been limited to non-pay-per-view subscription only programming. Other boxes have built in support for the technogy.
How does IKS work with FTA ?
Well to make it easy to understand, a box is configured with the IP address of a remote server on the internet where a system is setup to capture decryption keys for subscribed channels which sends those keys back over the internet to the receiver. The receiver having the key is able to open or unlock the channel for viewing locally. The server uses a method known as card sharing, where a subscribed card is used and shared between multiple systems to extend the viewing capability to a larger number of set top boxes.
IKS (Internet Key Sharing) is the latest method in the FTA (Free-To-Air) satellite testing community that tackles the problem of the new nagravision 3 encryption technology by supplying decryption keys to a FTA Satelite receiver over the Internet. While some are reasonably wary of IKS technology, most use some sort of proxy server to act as a protection of a users real ip address, just in case authorities or satellite providers may be monitoring the connections to a central server or array of IKS servers. There are several brands now supporting a present or future IKS solution. Some require the purchase of a special device specifically designed to expand a boxes capabilities to use the new IKS FTA method. Currently IKS has been limited to non-pay-per-view subscription only programming. Other boxes have built in support for the technogy.
How does IKS work with FTA ?
Well to make it easy to understand, a box is configured with the IP address of a remote server on the internet where a system is setup to capture decryption keys for subscribed channels which sends those keys back over the internet to the receiver. The receiver having the key is able to open or unlock the channel for viewing locally. The server uses a method known as card sharing, where a subscribed card is used and shared between multiple systems to extend the viewing capability to a larger number of set top boxes.
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En muy resumidas cuentas, viene a decir que el camd CheopsCAS usa el IKS (Internet Key Sharing) para permitir a la gente que lo use ver canales encriptados mediante el uso de varios servidores que no comparten el uso de una tarjeta de abonado, sino que lo hacen compartiendo las "flores", lo cual sigue siendo ilegal, ojo...
Explica que es muy difÃÂÂcil interceptar el tráfico entre las box y el servidor, y que no servirÃÂÂa de nada a las operadoras, porque pueden cambiar de servidor rápidamente y además la información intercambiada no les llevarÃÂÂa a ninguna parte (eso dicen más o menos).
En definitiva, viene a explicar el sistema IKS, que no es un cardsharing, y que dice que no es tan inseguro para los usuarios que se decidan a usarlo, eso sàbajo su responsabilidad.
Explica que el IKS funciona mediante la conexión via IP a un servidor remoto, donde dicho servidor se encarga de capturar las flores que luego se comparten en los receptores para que haya luz...
Saludos.
Explica que es muy difÃÂÂcil interceptar el tráfico entre las box y el servidor, y que no servirÃÂÂa de nada a las operadoras, porque pueden cambiar de servidor rápidamente y además la información intercambiada no les llevarÃÂÂa a ninguna parte (eso dicen más o menos).
En definitiva, viene a explicar el sistema IKS, que no es un cardsharing, y que dice que no es tan inseguro para los usuarios que se decidan a usarlo, eso sàbajo su responsabilidad.
Explica que el IKS funciona mediante la conexión via IP a un servidor remoto, donde dicho servidor se encarga de capturar las flores que luego se comparten en los receptores para que haya luz...
Saludos.
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Todo en negro desde ayer por la tarde...
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Según he leÃÂÂdo en satdudez, están preparando una nueva versión.
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