Estándares Soportados por AzboxHD

[Fundi]

Estándares Soportados por AzboxHD

En este post os quiero comentar algunas cosas que estoy viendo en otros foros y comentarios sin sentido de gente no experta hablando sobre los sintonizadores que utiliza el receptor AZBOXHD.

Muchas de estas personas están confundiendo estándares y modulaciones y espero que con esto les queden un poco más claro.

Nuestro Receptor es capaz de trabajar con:

·Sintonizadores DVB-S /S2 (Estándar para Satélite QPKS / 8PSK )

·Sintonizadores DVB-T (Estándar para Televisión Digital Terrestre OFDM)

·Sintonizadores DVB-C (Estándar para Televisión Digital Por Cable QAM)

Una vez aclarado esto os explico de donde viene la confusión.


Todo el mundo tiene claro que el receptor de Satélite puede con modulaciones QPSK Y 8PSK para canales SD y HD, pero no todo el mundo tiene claro que estándares tiene los sistemas de Televisión Digital Terrestre y Cable, indicando que si nuestro sintonizador es DVB-T2 y DVB-C2.

Todo esto viene por una mala Praxis en la denominación de la TDT inglesa, en la cual ellos están acostumbrados a llamarla DVB-T2 (Cosa que no es cierta). Si es cierto que las primeras emisiones de DVB-T2 serán en Inglaterra a modo de testeo de dicha tecnología pero no comenzaran hasta finales del año 2009 y principios del 2010

Para más información sobre la TDT inglesa mirar estos links:

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/papers/pdffiles/ibc99gdp.pdf


[FONT=&quot] Bueno llegado a este punto, muchos se preguntan y eso de DVB-T2 y DVB-C2 que es, pues son los nuevos estándares que se están desarrollando para dar un avance al cable y al TDT como en su día paso con el DVB-S sacando un nuevo estándar que es el DVB-S2.

[/FONT] Estos estándares nuevos son independientes de los que ahora trabajan y solo en años venideros cuando se apruebe saldrán al mercado (puede que dentro de 1 año o puede que dentro de 5, según la industria los necesite)

¿Nuestras placas podrán demodular (sintonizar) estos nuevos estándares DVB-T2 y DVB-C2?

No, al menos sin una modificación en el Hardware

¿Se está vendiendo algún Receptor que tenga estos estándares?

No, solo se tienen en fase de desarrollo para estudio, y estos son propiedad de los diferentes fabricantes.

[FONT=&quot]Tabla Comparativa de todos los Estándares

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Comparación entre DVB-S y DVB-S2​

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Comparación entre DVB-T y DVB-T2​

Comparación entre DVB-C y DVB-C2​

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[/FONT] Bueno espero que ahora este todo más claro, si alguien quiere más información específica de algún estándar que me lo indique.
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Saludos Fundi
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[JR]

Coño fundi, estás que te sales. :grin:

 

[Fundi]

jajja ya ves, el puente que le sienta bien a cualquiera.

 

[lulo]

uyssssss cuanta informacion y que wena, entiendo que no tendra doble turner el nuevo modelo?? Gracias Fundi

 

[Fundi]

Ni idea estos estándares como comento aun no están en el mercado[FONT=&quot][/FONT]

 

[Mostaza]

Espero que pronto hagan el cambio para poder cambiar el ancho de banda en DVB-T

Por ahora es imposible, y creo que debería poderse para estar acorde con el estándard (según lo que leí en [url]http://www.dvb.org[/URL] sobre el DVB-T)

Saludos!

 

[Fundi]

Mostaza si ya he visto tus post en el foro original, una putada que no le metan mano a eso, tienes que dar el coñazo que para eso venden un sintonziador DVB-T, y es cosa del soft porque el hardware puede con los Anchos de banda de la norma.

 

[gorski]

A response to your PM on Satdudez, m8 [as you chose not to receive PMs, I have to do it here]:

I'll try to translate it as soon as possible, m8.

The first post, I suppose, the one with all the divisions of tuners/spectrum and data?

Cheers!:have a nice day:

 

[Fundi]

Please and thank your English is better than mine

The first message and use the attached specifications

 

[gorski]

The problem is I translate using Google etc.

It looks like this:

Standards Supported by AzboxHD
In this post I want to comment on some things I'm seeing on other forums and comments without sense of non-expert people talking about using the receiver tuners AZBOXHD.

Many of these people are confusing standards and modulations and hopefully with this they are a little clearer.

Our receiver is able to work with:

· DVB DVB-S / S2 (Standard for Satellite QPKS / 8PSK)

· DVB DVB-T (Digital Terrestrial Television Standard OFDM)

· DVB DVB-C (Standard for Digital Cable TV QAM)

Having said that you explain where it comes from the confusion.


Everyone is clear that the satellite receiver can with QPSK and 8PSK modulations for SD and HD channels, but not everyone is clear that standards have systems Digital Terrestrial and Cable TV, saying that if your tuner is DVB-T2 and DVB-C2.

All this comes from a bad practice in the name of DTT English, in which they are accustomed to calling DVB-T2 (which is not true). If it is true that the first broadcasts of DVB-T2 will be in England as a test of that technology but does not begin until late 2009 and early 2010

For more information about DVB English look at these links:

[the link comes here...]

Well at this point, many are asking and that of DVB-T2 and DVB-C2, then the new standards are being developed to provide a breakthrough to cable and DTT as once happened to the DVB-S bringing a new standard is the DVB-S2.

These new standards are independent of those now working and only in years when the market will be adopted (possibly within 1 year or maybe in 5, according to industry needs them)

"Our boards can demodulate (tune) the new DVB-T2 and DVB-C2?

No, at least without a change in the Hardware

Is selling a receiver that has these standards?

No, we have under development to study, and these are owned by different manufacturers.

Comparison Chart of all Standards


Comparison between DVB-S and DVB-S2

[the graph comes here...]

Well I hope this all clearer now, if anyone wants more specific information on a standard that I directed.

Greetings Fundi

Maybe we should do it together?!? You clear it up a little and then I'll edit it, plus ask my wife to help! :D She's a pro and she speaks Spanish, too...:grin: In the end i will be great!:thumbsup:

Nice work, btw! :have a nice day: And a Q: not DVB-T2 or C2?

Cheers!

 

[Fundi]

There are not DVB-T2 and C2 only DVB-T and C

Tonight I try to translate it and teach it to you to tell me if something is wrong

 

[nasky]

Fundi, no te lo puedo confirmar 100 % pero creo que los tuners de cable son dvb-c2 y los de tdt dvb-t. Siempre entendi que era asi pero ademas uno de los moderadores del foro oficial lo tiene puesto en su firma como dvb-c2, es pr2 ...

Por otro lado y como informacion para añadir a tu post, en los azbox los sintonizadores de cable y tdt vienen en placas serigrafiadas que luego no coinciden con el tuner real que es, la

Tuner tdt llevan serigrafiado dvb-c2
Tuner cable llevan serigrafiado dvb-c

 

[Fundi]

Si miras el archivo que adjunto no es posible ya que utilizan otro método modulación y otro estándar, y el hardware de esto no esta aun en los mercados.

Primero será el DVB-T2 en Inglaterra que ya están testeándolo y después del DVB-C2 en las grandes redes de Cable de Alemania pero para finales de año.

Ya quisiera yo este tipo de modulación jejej donde ahora tienes 2 canales HD puedes llegar a duplicarlos y triplicar el numero de canales SD por Frecuencia, menudo ahorro de ancho de banda jejje.

 

[ambit]

jajja ya ves, el puente que le sienta bien a cualquiera.

Todos no tenemos esa suerte..jejjejeje

 

[madomape]

Muy bueno, si señor. El que siga teniendo dudas es que no sabe leer.

 

[gorski]

Here is what I posted on Sadudez, m8... :have a nice day:Please, have a look...

"By our m8 Fundidun, from AzboxHD.es forum [Google translation, which I edited a little bit]:

In this post I want to talk about some things I'm seeing on some other forums and lay people's comments regarding using various tuners in AZbox HD.

Many of these people are confusing standards and modulations and hopefully this post will help make it a little clearer.

Our receiver can work with:

· DVB-S / S2 tuners (Standard for Satellite QPKS/8PSK)

· DVB-T tuner (Digital Terrestrial Television Standard OFDM)

· DVB-C tuner (Standard for Digital Cable TV QAM)

Having said that, let's see where the confusion comes from.

Everyone is clear that AZBOX HD can cope with QPSK and 8PSK modulations for SD and HD channels, but not everyone understands... [this is not clear to me - Fundi must clarify - my comment] ..."but not everyone is clear that standards have systems Digital Terrestrial and Cable TV, saying that if your tuner is DVB-T2 and DVB-C2."

[I suppose, it comes back to the Q whether AZbox HD can work with the tuners just mentioned above - my comment.]

All this comes from a bad practice in the UK, where they are accustomed to calling DVB-T "DVB-T2" (which is not true). It is true that the first broadcasts in DVB-T2 will be made in England, as a test of that technology, but it does not begin until late 2009 and early 2010.

For more information about DVB-T in the UK look at these links:

[FONT="][URL="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Digital_broadcast_standards.svg/600px-Digital_broadcast_standards.svg.png"]

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[URL]http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/papers/pdffiles/ibc99gdp.pdf[/URL]

Well, at this point, many are asking questions about DVB-T2 and DVB-C2, that the new standards are being developed to provide a breakthrough to cable and DTT, as it once happened with DVB-S bringing about a new standard, i.e. DVB-S2.

These new standards are different to those now in circulation. Maybe they will come on the market in years to come, when the market will be able to adopt them (possibly within 1 -5 years, according to industry's needs).

Can our receiver demodulate (descramble/tune to) the new DVB-T2 and DVB-C2 standards?

No, at least not without a change in the Hardware.

Is there a receiver on sale that supports these standards?

No. Although we can see some new developments we need to study, however these are owned by different manufacturers.

Comparison Chart of all Standards

Comparison between DVB-S and DVB-S2

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Comparison between DVB-T & DVB-T2

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Comparison between DVB-C & DVB-C2

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Well, I hope this is all clearer now. If anyone wants more specific information on the standards here discussed, please fire away....

Greetings

Fundi

"

 

[Fundi]

Perfect my friend, also includes pdf that are important

 

[gorski]

Well, not really:

Everyone is clear that AZBOX HD can cope with QPSK and 8PSK modulations for SD and HD channels, but not everyone understands... [this is not clear to me - Fundi must clarify - my comment] ..."but not everyone is clear that standards have systems Digital Terrestrial and Cable TV, saying that if your tuner is DVB-T2 and DVB-C2."

[I suppose, it comes back to the Q whether AZbox HD can work with the tuners just mentioned above - my comment.]

All this comes from a bad practice in the UK, where they are accustomed to calling DVB-T "DVB-T2" (which is not true). It is true that the first broadcasts in DVB-T2 will be made in England, as a test of that technology, but it does not begin until late 2009 and early 2010.

Can you check and explain, please?

 

[Fundi]

The first country to deploy DVB-T2 will be the UK, where ASO is already under way. The regulator there, Ofcom, has stated its intention to convert one nationwide multiplex to DVB-T2 with the first transmissions of multichannel HDTV set to begin at the end of 2009.

Now the two technologies mimes living DVBT and DVB-T2 Esperimental latter phase.

Many users talk about their installations DVB-T2 are really confusing tune DVB-T standard

Azbox receiver tuner is DVB-T only

 

[gorski]

I understand in general your point perfectly: but can you go linguistically carefully through the sentence I posted above, please?